List of ASRA Instructors

[rotor]

Hi all you wanna be gyro pilots!

In the interest of getting the most up to date information on "Gyrocopter Instructors" here is a shortcut to the current up to date ASRA list:


http://www.asra.org.au/instruct.htm



rotor

[russ]

Geoff..........we is now yr 2006, that list is so out dated....

there is "CFI's"......."instructors".........that have not owned, or trained in years, yet they still promote themselves as current and or available.

Be a good idea to get an up todate reference here, and still with the link to the "ASRA" site :paper:

[rotor]

Russ,

Theres a list in the Trade Links Section of the main site. What I'd love to see is proactive instructors advertise in there. It's a little hard not knowing who is active and who isn't as the only other source is on the ASRA site.

So any instructor that wants to get the message to those that need any training - pull the finger out and place your details in the "Trade Links" on the main site!!!

[Aussie_Paul]

Geoff..........we is now yr 2006, that list is so out dated....

there is "CFI's"......."instructors".........that have not owned, or trained in years, yet they still promote themselves as current and or available.

Be a good idea to get an up todate reference here, and still with the link to the "ASRA" site :paper:



When my "unfair 12 months grounding is up"(*) on the 24th of March, I will be back in the saddle selling Firebird gyroplanes and training.

(*)3 months would have been an appropriate penalty for flying an unregistered gyroplane according to 35 people from around the world involved in the gyroplane movement,!!! BUT I accepted the Boards decision and am working my life around that.

Cheers. Aussie Paul. :yes:

[BeefBear]

Paul, if you have truely moved on from this issue why do you keep bringing it up. 35 people from around the world doesn't mean anything since a distinct majority of the members of the board charged with the respocibility of running this the Association thought otherwise. It seems very hypocrictical of you to say you accept the boards decision yet turn around and say its unfair???

Look you only have a couple of months to go so don't do anything stupid.

Ted

[russ]

I've got the latest asra mag in me hand rite now, and I'm looking at the "instructor" page etc

"CFI's listed is total 10............of that approx 50% have been inactive for up to 8 yrs [ no trainer,
nothing, not even a single seater do they own...........yet they promote themselves as current and available to train newbies etc ]

But hang on, it gets better............active "Instructors" are required to source one of these guys to check flite the instructor every 2 yrs....................

How does that 50% of "inactive" CFI's manage to keep their endorsements all these yrs, beats me :confused:

To stupid me, it seems ludicrous that any active instructor has to be "checked out".........ever,
coz if he's managing to keep him and machine in one piece while students are doing their level best to destroy man and machine, then I think that instructor must be doin something rite.

Finally we have the machine inspection thingo, that has to be done by a "TA" :pelvic_thrust2:
This is to me an insult, The instructor puts life and limb on the line daily, do you think for one moment he is going to further add to his problem by flying an unsafe machine...........you gota be joking

We are encouraged to insist that newbies must sign off the waiver form, well I can tell you that I am informed from an impecable source, that, that form, would be more usefull to lite the BBQ
Yes I teach to fly gyros, love sharing the joy of these wonderfull things, and yes I know when the shit hits the fan..............I'm on my own.............but I will still continue

cheers...........

[russ]

Sorry guys..............have just picked meself up off the floor here.

just red a post on asra that says "we mite be embarrassed" with the numbers of instructors, coz they is doing an update etc [ gee, wonder where they got that idea from, the update one ]

Hope I ain't reading wrong here...................Too many is embarrasing :yikes:

Or should it read.......................................Too few .........//......... :confused:

I hope it's the latter

Then all we got to sort now is the "CFI" club..........uno..........the lifetime thingo

[BeefBear]

Russell,

At least give them some credit for looking at the issue. Whether they took the lead from here or not ( probably they did) is not as important as they are now actually looking at the issue. And yes I agree, it clearly is a breakdown in the proceedures whereby an instructor has been able to retain his ticket when he has no machine or has not been active for a number of years. I'm surprised that CASA hasn't looked at this issue themselves.

Ted

[russ]

Ted..........I most certainly do

BUT............why is this extremely important presentation to the public..........so wrong all these years :confused:

First impressions are very important to newbies, ringin around and around getting "sorry mate.......try ?????" just ain't good enough.

Same thing re the gyro mags..............mate, they should be out there in the agencies, hell, think of the flow on............it could blow gyros into orbit.

You....me.....we........ know these hurdy gurdys we fly...........fly the pants off fixed wingers.You can purchase their mags any time via agencies...........look how their numbers have, are, swelling great. Access to their magazines has played a HUGE roll in that.
It grieves me, seeing an opurtunity getting wasted here for gyros.

All these years gyros have been left to themselves........little or no public profile etc etc. The gyro numbers have hardly altered over all those years, to me thats crazy.

I don't know how many times I've been told , or over heard recreational fixed wingers bagging gyros...........wrongly too I mite add.

My fix is dead easy...............hey mate, hop in me gyro, let me take you for a spin. Every single .............that's rite ..........every single one of em, changes their tune after a flite in me gyro.
They now understand these machines a whole lot better, and most times they yearn to have one now.
Regretably peer pressure from their mates, plays on em...........long time fixed wing mates.

We got the product...............we gota SELL it to em

[Birdy2]

I gota agree with ya Russ, i'm buggered if i know why the mags ain't avalable to the publik. :confused:

[BeefBear]

Russell,

The current malise in this sport has probably self generated by the non actions of a lot of people, so its unfair to lay the blame solely at the feet of the board. Our public image is very much limited to those already in the know. Sure if we could expose the sport to others in the public eye, whether its by mags on the shelf or T-Shirts bearing messages at Fly ins or air shows or simple announcements in the local papers. Hell even a fly by on TV will grab the imagination for people to pick up the phone and ring.

Then comes the issue of the " well sorry mate perhaps if you ring so and so he might ..." If you know of someone who's interested then they need to be put in touch with an active instructor. Hardly anyone wil want to wait for someone who might be flying in 6 months time.


Ted

[bones]

Good to see some very positive feed back on the magazine, might i add that the editors of the last 6- 12 months(Bazza and Art) have done a top job in lifting the standard of the mag to stage where it would look right at home on a news agents shelf too, as i have in front of me a copy of the Pacific Flyer as well as the Gyro News and they are much the same quality.

[russ]

Ted.........no mate, I'm definately not blaming the current board, for this rediculous position we are still in

Yes you are rite...............this mind set has been endured for bloody years..........and untill WE acknowledge that, and accept that it is detremental to US as a group, then nothing will change

My whole reason for raising this topic is to say enough is enough, we got the $$$$$$$$, we got the product [ magazine ] so lets get it out there. It will cost us to begin, but the benifits outway those costs. Hell...........I'll toss in some $$$$ to help out, coz I know, I'll benifit, so will you...........mate it's a win win situation..............no losers here mate

You can't, I can't.........DO IT.............but the encumbered board CAN

cheers...........

[russ]

OK...........here is the up todate listing of asra's instructors................from their web site

Total CFI's, and instructors...................22


Now the breakdown of those numbers

Active....................12
Inactive..................10 :yikes:


State by state.................active...................... .inactive

Qld 2 3
NSW 5 4
WA 2 1
SA 1 1
VIC 0 1
TAZ 1 0
NT 1 0


Can recall a recent post sayin we could be embarrassed by how many instructors we had.............

Should have read.............how many we DON'T have [ 50% of em are "inactive", and some have been for yrs]

I say again...........asra need to further help the current ones, and encourage suitable newbies, just because they may have a 2 seater, doesn't mean they will make good instructors.

And to you newbies thinkin of taking up the CHALLENGE............remember.........when the shyte hits the fan....................you is all alone. [ just you and your solicitor ] :yikes:

[bones]

And to you newbies thinkin of taking up the CHALLENGE............remember.........when the shyte hits the fan....................you is all alone. [ just you and your solicitor ] :yikes:

Ok then for the very stupid one(s) amoungst us, Russell why is this so??
I mean, i to be honest havent looked into it, though i wouldnt think that the likes of helicopter schools and FW schools the intructor/s would have to be covered somehow, if it was proven that they did all they could within the situation..

[russ]

Scenario..................I train you up, you at some later date have an incident.

Now this incident leaves you paralyzed...........you have wife and kids etc etc.

Someone says to you, that they know a good lawyer, he will get you lots of compensation etc etc

I get summonsed, we eventually get into court...............by fair means or foul, there is an almost guaranteed result that I am to blame to some extent

That amount of blame is the unknown, but it will translate to $$$$$$$$ .......I ......have to fork out, as well as the huge legal costs. That total amount you are ordered to pay up, will more than likely totally, completely break you............even after selling ALL your assets to try and settle the claim against you.[ by the way.........insurance to cover you..........what's that ]

So.................who helps me out..............yea, the silence is deafening. [ the association MITE
say I was a good instructor..............but that would be it ]

So mate...........you is on your own...............good luck

As unsavoury as this is......................its a fact. This scenario is waiting to become reality.......sorry

Knowing all this..............I will continue to train :crazyas:

[BeefBear]

What about the legal ramifications of havng a student sign a release, saying that he recognises the potential for an accident and that he waives any right to sue unless the investigation says you did something absolutely stupid, like fly in unsafe conditions or flew into wires or something. If it were a wind gust, I'd be thinking an act of God situation.

I recognise that you could have a student induced accident ( probability very high) and an instructor induced accident ( very very low) so would you fly with me?

Ted

[russ]

Ted.............I can guarantee, that with my arse in the trainer...........NOTHING is going to go wrong, we will get onto the ground in one piece. Recently checked me trusty 26 year old diary, have got some 20 odd guys into the air over those years, had one or 2 moments, but no incidents, I'm proud of that fact.

But after you goes solo in your own machine, at some later date you bingle real bad..........then the potential for litigation will begin..........maybe

As to waiving your rites in training etc etc................you better talk to your lawyer, coz I have.......and it's not good............for me

As to fly with you.............any time mate