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bones

20-07-2006, 07:11 PM

I decided to start this in here cause it will be where it will end up, I run across a few things and since i heard a little tail on the grape vine, and put two and two together, i thought id just ask, as it didnt make sense why someone on a gyro site would be so down on gyros, then you started to post about your "Turbine Heli", then it all started to fall into place..
This is what i come up with,, the RotorWay dealer from the W.A move to (surprise,surprise)Hervey Bay,and from the people i talked to, he was a wanker(much like your making yourself sound like) and that be where you live, and just so happens that you have one of these pieces of shit, and defend it pretty well.
Took the liberty of copying a few pieces of your posts;

I am currently side tracked but am hoping to get back into the RW in the next couple of months -I am located in Hervey Bay.

Don't be put off by the so- called experts.

If you want to drop me line I will put you in contact with some experienced and happy RW owners.

The last one would be very hard to do IMHO, but yeah im human after all,, so if this is all wrong tell me and i'll appolagise, so bring it on, i got a few days to fill :poke: and nothing better to do, this will be good
I'm listening :pelvic_thrust2:

Sky Gazer

23-07-2006, 07:47 PM

Echo 2

24-07-2006, 07:58 AM

" Dickhead " , " Wanker " , " Morron " , " Site Sook " ........Hey Bones , I think this this guy
really likes you :poke:

bones

24-07-2006, 10:42 AM

OK Start polishing up on your apology you wanker :Bat1:

And a refresher course in Primary scholl certainly wouldn't go astray since you have so much trouble with your reading and comprehension.

I have no agenda against the gyros at all infact I have been trying to get into the sport for several years- The ASRA nationals at Biggenden being a terrific introduction -inspiration to taking a step closer.

Goodness me you dickhead I have been corresponding with you and Hoody regarding the purchase of a Gyro.

My comments to Gordon regarding the half assed critiscisms levelled by members on this site were, aside from being inaccorate, downright discouraging . I do know of several happy Rotorway Owners who have overcome the secondary issues which have been a cause of concern in the past.

Now while you are back in primary school brushing up on your reading and comprehension skills you might also take the opportunity to check a little Geography as well. The Australian Rotorway Rep who's name is KEVIN LUNN (Check the website)moved from WA to Kilcoy,Qld, and is looking at setting up a service facility at Redcliffe Airport. NOT HERVEY BAY YOU MORRON :chainsaw:.

May participation in the Duel training thread was to debate the comparison of costs associated with Gyros as opposed to Certified aircraft- I CERTAINLY AM NOT ANTI-GYRO and I HONESTLY apologise if I have mistakenly given anyone this impression.

Anyway I thought this site was for Rotorcraft- not exclusively Gyro's.

I think You need to have you tag changed changed from "Site stirrer" to "SIGHT SOOK"

Well if all you have said is true,, then I'M SORRY,,,see i will do it if im wrong...

Anyway I thought this site was for Rotorcraft- not exclusively Gyro's.
I never said that at all, there is a full helicopter section

Goodness me you dickhead I have been corresponding with you and Hoody regarding the purchase of a Gyro.
The only thing you had to do with my gyro was a find out if i was giving it away

And a refresher course in Primary scholl certainly wouldn't go astray since you have so much trouble with your reading and comprehension.
Practise what you preach brother

May participation in the Duel training thread was to debate the comparison of costs associated with Gyros as opposed to Certified aircraft- I CERTAINLY AM NOT ANTI-GYRO and I HONESTLY apologise if I have mistakenly given anyone this impression.
Well it wasnt only me i had at least three private convos and they all thought the same,, orr and they rang me

It nice to be loved Echo, i dont mind at all :hug:

Sky Gazer

24-07-2006, 12:11 PM

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Goodness me you dickhead I have been corresponding with you and Hoody regarding the purchase of a Gyro.
The only thing you had to do with my gyro was a find out if i was giving it away.

Re-Read the post you were the one looking to move the gyro and I asked you seriously what price you were asking but you just blew me off.

While I am waiting on the development of a suitable transmission for my project I decided to look into the possibility of getting into agyro as well.You would also no doubt have read my comment about wanting to have the best of both worlds with a - I really can't see why you would have concluded that I was Anti Gyro.

Nor can I see where you got the ridiculous idea that I was the RW agent- Christ its out there for all the world to see on his website. As you also pointed out I commented that I was building a Turbine Heli- This is not a standard Rotorway- so I certainly am not in bed with RW- on the contrary I am probably considered a "Rotorway Rebel" for not following the party line.
I am sur glad I am not relying on your navigational skills if you can't differentiate Hervey Bay from "Brisbane".

The way you all put down Gordon for his personal choices was rather pathetic and choosing to try and belittle me for coming to his assistance only goes to show what a pittiful attitude you guys have to newcomers. So much for wanting to share your enthusiasm for flight - as long as everybody agrees with your distorted point of view.

I am still waiting for an apology with the same degree of conviction as your erroneous homework effort.

Peter.

bones

24-07-2006, 12:42 PM

The way you all put down Gordon for his personal choices was rather pathetic and choosing to try
I did nothing of the sort, you go back and reread mine on that topic...

Re-Read the post you were the one looking to move the gyro and I asked you seriously what price you were asking but you just blew me off.
Your only reply to this topic was;

Hi Bones.

HHHMMMMMM How cheap -Really? :crazyas:
How could i have KNOWN you were serious after a reply like that, there was hardly a reply that was serious, so i played along with everyone else too,if you wereserious, you could have sent me a PM, or rang me...

I am still waiting for an apology with the same degree of conviction as your erroneous homework effort
Going blue yet? the one above is the only one you'll be getting.. :drunk:

russ

24-07-2006, 01:51 PM

The way you all put down Gordon for his personal choices was rather pathetic and choosing to try and belittle me for coming to his assistance only goes to show what a pittiful attitude you guys have to newcomers. So much for wanting to share your enthusiasm for flight - as long as everybody agrees with your distorted point of view.

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Pete..................steady up mate, i can recall the original post, re rotorways. It went something like he "was chasing some feedback , info etc etc."

As i had first hand knowledge of them......not 2nd or 3rd, i posted what i knew to be factual. Yes that reply was not favourable to those machines, it was never intended to be anything else, but the facts .
Your above comments grieve me, as "distorted point of view" is not true here.
Some yrs back i was dead set serious about getting one, done the homework,researched etc etc..........then decided with informed knowledge, that to proceed was fraught with problems.
I am informed, that the current machines, with mods etc are a completely different kettle of fish.............lets wait, the proof is in the pudding.
Please keep posting here with the build...........i for one are keen to follow the progress

Sky Gazer

25-07-2006, 04:07 PM

Hi Russell,
Let me see if I can clarify my point of view by trying to tackle your comments individually.

Pleeeease note that I am not trying mount a personal attack on anyone or indeed against Gyros - as I have said several times before I really want to get into a gyro- Maybe Bones will give me a serious price on his Gyro?

"Gordon...............sorry to hear your bad luck...............you must have done sumin reeeel bad to end up with one of those."
Forgive me if I took this the wrong way but it seems to me to be rather a put down .

"I know of 2 ex builders............1 current owner..........1 LAME [ helos] all of which ....ALL.......................HATE THOSE ROTORWAYS"
These are experimental AC built to a budget so I seriously doubt if any LAME is ever going to say it is directly comparable to a certified AC like an R22 or Lycoming Powerplant.which are almost 3 times the cost

"The chap that has one still.................it's parked in his hanger, and has been there for about 9 months, or more...........grounded, [ got about 100 hrs total time flying]

Mail me direct, I will give you contact details

The sales hype, don't back up reality..........the machine is only for yanky guys, in yank land, coz no one here can fixem..........SORRY"
I don't quite know what the problem would be as the unit has a serial port interface that can be connected via internet to the RW factory in Arizona for an instant analysis of engine performance and possible trouble codes. It is rather a compact flat four (removable in about 15 mins if required)with a lot of redundant systems incluing Dual;
Spark plugs
Ignition Modules
FADEC ECM s
Wiring Harness
ECM Sensors

"Chase up the oz guy in "WA" that sells those things, bet you can't get half doz happy....flyers in Oz out of him...............cheers"

Seems like there were more than that showed up for the Wings over Wagga Wagga event last year and the year before.

"Loved it.............sort of...........then it stoped.........that was bowt 9 months ago

ONE of the main probs is..........the engine and management computor etc etc can only get fixed back in yanky land.............no good[/color]
I believe Jon Davis in Brisbane works on these units as well as Westach instrument repairs and recalibration Service

"Second prob........endurance is bugger all............[ bowt 1hr out......1hr back......that's 2 up ona hotish day"]
I think you will find this is true of just about all helicopters unless fitted with long range fuel tanks.

"Third prob...........rubber bands running everywhere"
Have to admit I am not happy about that either- especially the TR System- But it seems to be generally accepted with Main Drive Systems in just about all experimental helis and many reduction drives from what I saw at the ASRA Nationals.

"Fourth prob.........a bloody nitemare to work on"
Where and why?Show me an aircraft that doesn't look to minimise volume in an engine compartment?

"Fifth prob............zero ozy help"
Not sure exactly what you are talking about although I disagree some of the things I hear from Kevin He is never hesitant in offering support for the product. I have also found Graeme Smith (former RW Dealer) to be very helpful and for that matter just about any RW owner that I have spoken to or communicated with has been only to keen to share the knowledge of their experiences. I imagine this would pretty much be the case in the Gyro arena as well.

"Sixth prob...........mate.........I could go on and on here [ by the way, the only one left up here now........the one that is now for sale, is "GA" certified, but the helo lamies won't touch it..............reckon it's a heap of shyte. The machine actually looks a million dollars tho.......well built"]
As I indicated in a previous post The Australian rep"has moved from WA to Brisbane and is looking to set up a new facility at Redcliffe Airport to help build,inspect and restore all RW aircraft."

"A musterer pilot gave it a whirl one day...........his comments were unprintable here."
It is common knowledge that the RW is a more docile Helicopter than the R22- which is one of its attributes(not being so "twitchy ")so no one really recommends it for this purpose. Perhaps an increase in Power may make it more suitable-i.e. Turbine?

"As you alluded to me in your mail yesterday...........the "WA" rep for these things is far from helpfull, but real keen to get your money. Trying to get names etc etc from him from HAPPY owners, is not forthcoming................WHY [ you don't need to be a rocket scientist to work that one out]"
Same reasoning as the RotorWay International in the US, and I won't post them on this site I suppose -Privacy issues- its not my place to post contact details for someone else without first asking them.

"I looked into getting one myself a few yrs ago..........done a lot of background work........even internationally.......yip, kept me money."
So did I and I decided to put my money where my mouth is- Hence I am working to build a reliable Helicopter and enjoying the build process which undoubtedly for most owners is one of the greatest aspects of Rotorway.

"Sorry mate..............cut your losses"
Not very reassuring Russell- Hence my post on the thread.

I hope this provides a little different perspective and maybe even balance up the general perception of the RW.
Peter

russ

25-07-2006, 05:18 PM

Unreal....................

2 owner/builders up here, gave up
1 lame gave negative reports
1 pilot gave negative reports
1 COMPLETE engine was returned to yanky land coz nobody in oz was geared up to fix em
1 machine was parked up after 100 hrs, coz it too was giving problems..........by the way "GA" certified

Some how from all this, you come back with a GLOWING report............fair go

[ what's that emu saying thingo] :crazyas:

anyway pete, good luck mate

bones

25-07-2006, 05:39 PM

Hey you croc bait rejection, you just leave my mate Pete alone ok, he knows,, and you asked and he told you too, so there,,,,,
Another day just sitting back watching the world go round :beer: :cheers:,,,, shut him up will ya Pete, put a couple of photos up on here to teach him a lesson.. :friday:

russ

25-07-2006, 08:43 PM

Oh bonesy..........Arrrrrrrrrrrrr :hug:
:nervious: :no: :fingers:

Sky Gazer

26-07-2006, 10:26 AM

Russell.
Don't get me wrong mate I am not trying to give The RotorWay a glowing report by any means . I am just trying to point out that it is an experimental craft built to a budget - with obvious limitations. I was tol d a couple of years ago that there were almost 70 Rws in Australia. I am sorry that your mates have had bad experiences - I was merely trying to respond to the points you made with the "insider Knowledge" that I have aquired mainly direct contact with owners and through websites like the Rotorway Owners Group- The most useful tool in the RW owners kit.- Not from the factory.

I guess its like most things they are designed to a budget and a performance the manufacturee has to cater to the majority of the customers needs and provide a compromised product. If you want to race a standard Ford or Holden around Bathurst then you are going to be dissapointed unless you are prepared to spend a lot of dollars to make it suitable for that specific purpose .

Maybe your Mates just got a couple of Duds(Monday or Friday jobs) Hell it happens- I am sure you will find some dissatisfied BMW owners out there as well if you look.Not that I am comparing the RW to a BMW.

I see why you made the comments based on your knowledge and experience I was merely trying to widen the scope by sharing my knowledge and experiences . Perhaps you can now see why I felt that the comments made to Gordon were inappropriate-maybe not.

Peter

russ

26-07-2006, 03:14 PM

fair enough pete, no offence intended...........keep me up to date with the build